Page tabs as extra links

Panos!
“Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.”
I’ve missed you in the wp forums, but you -have- been working hard! There was a comment recently from a staff person that this was not possible, but you are brilliant to have tried it!! Even though it does not work with all the themes, it’s like a hidden gem.
I’ve been looking at what you’ve done, and thinking about it, but it’s too late at night or too early in the morning for me to be coherent. I’m supposed to be the boss at work tomorrow so I must sleep, but know that this is most wonderful and helpful. You should know that your advice is most inspiring. Until tomorrow
best regards

Posted by Tess | March 26, 2009, 06:01

Got a comment, got a comment!!

Thank you for your warm response, Tess – and of course the inauguration had to be by you!

I’ll add more stuff little by little, and link this blog to my name, I guess; I don’t really know if it will be useful, but maybe it’s good to have some things gathered here, since the forum search doesn’t work very well.

As for the staff reply, yes, I saw it too (and it wasn’t the first time).

Posted by Panos | March 26, 2009, 21:28

That’s cool that you took screenshots – it’s very helpful

Posted by arcadata | May 2, 2009, 18:08

@arcadata: Yeah, it wouldn’t be much use without the snapshots. Thanks (and welcome)!

Posted by Panos | May 3, 2009, 00:23

Very nice Panos, it’s nice to see documentation
from volunteers, because their documentation
is more helpful then the FAQ and support pages that
are slapped together fast by staff. :)

Posted by T3CK | May 9, 2009, 19:43

Thanks very much T3ck – very glad if you approve! All this (which I wouldn’t have imagined some time ago!) obviously sprang as an expansion of my involvement in the forum, now that I am a little experienced; what I’m trying is precisely to add some pieces of information that are missing, or present them in a more orderly or thorough way than the often slapdash way of the official FAQs (plus publish the non-standard solutions I occasionally invent). Judging from the visits via Google I get, not entirely useless!

Posted by Panos | May 9, 2009, 21:54

You’re welcome Panos, I started a similar blog to document tutorials so forum members can have a bit more explanation then the FAQs offer or sometimes theirs no FAQ for the issue so I find a work around for the matter then write a tutorial for it. :) http://grid360.wordpress.com/

Posted by T3CK | May 15, 2009, 15:22

Great! My sidebar duly updated!

Posted by Panos | May 15, 2009, 16:26

Well Thanks I didn’t expect that I’ll do the same and link back to this site also!

Posted by T3CK | May 15, 2009, 18:57

I just found this and it’s raising all kinds of ideas. Thank you so much.

Posted by foxrafer | May 17, 2009, 20:10

@foxrafer: You’re welcome. Hope you’ll find more useful things here!

Posted by Panos | May 18, 2009, 23:49

Thank youi!!!!!

Posted by planetchanger | May 22, 2009, 10:14

You’re welcome!!!!!

Posted by Panos | May 22, 2009, 14:43

This was extremely handy, it cleans up my pages so much. Thank you.

Posted by izikavazo | May 26, 2009, 07:22

You’re welcome. In your case I would probably add a “Home” tab as well.

Posted by Panos | May 26, 2009, 12:41

What if I am getting an error 404 file not found error?

Posted by deepthoughtsanddoubleshots | June 6, 2009, 18:24

@deepthoughtsanddoubleshots: Then you’ve probably used the wrong URL. But where are you getting this? I can see a “Pleasant Valley” tab in your blog, which works ok.

Posted by Panos | June 7, 2009, 03:29

Panos, you’re the greatest. Question: Is there any way to get rid of the extra blank tab in the header navigation bar when using the Spring Loaded theme?

Posted by hardinghousebb | June 12, 2009, 16:36

As far as I can tell, no. (If I had found a way, I would have proudly posted it!) Maybe it’s possible if you buy the CSS upgrade and tamper with the CSS – but I don’t know anything about that.

Posted by Panos | June 12, 2009, 17:08

Pano,

Thanks again!

Posted by hardinghousebb | June 12, 2009, 17:16

Is there a way to link your wordpress to other people’s?

Posted by paolosilv | July 9, 2009, 12:50

@paolosilv: Please explain in more detail.

Posted by Panos | July 9, 2009, 17:36

excellent info, thanks very much

Posted by remistevens | July 17, 2009, 20:19

You’re welcome – glad if it helps!

Posted by Panos | July 17, 2009, 23:52

A great help thanks. However, have you managed to get the link to open in a new tab/window on the browser?

My site is http://shortwayround.co.uk

I’ve added a tab ‘Gallery’ to link to my Flickr account (which I want to change to JAlbum or Smugmug) and your ‘trick’ has worked.
I tried adding target=”_blank” into the title (Gallery ) but when I ‘update page’ it gets deleted.

Any ideas?

Posted by adamlewis | July 23, 2009, 22:45

No ideas, I’m afraid: the target-blank version of the code gets stripped out (as you found out, and as is normal for html tags in titles) – that’s why I only gave the plain version in the post.

Posted by Panos | July 24, 2009, 02:11

My Hero! I’ve been looking for a way to do this all day.

Posted by stina717 | July 31, 2009, 05:24

@stina717: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | July 31, 2009, 10:58

you are brilliant!!!
– having used wordpress many years ago – i am struggling but need to get some work up asap
this will now save many hours of pain… and i thank you
=)

Posted by rmitphotographytafe | August 1, 2009, 06:57

You’re welcome. Since WP keeps changing things all the time, you can’t avoid the struggling, I’m afraid. You’ll find much good advice in the forum (and maybe some useful stuff here as well).

Posted by Panos | August 1, 2009, 10:18

That is a most wonderful tip! It actually worked for me without a “space” in the title. One word worked perfectly! Thanks so much! This is making its way to my Delicious bookmarks!

Posted by Sherra Scott ~ Virtual Assistant | August 14, 2009, 18:12

@Sherra: You’re welcome! And thanks for letting me know about the space; but that probably worked for you because your blog isn’t a wp.com blog: our software is different.

Posted by Panos | August 15, 2009, 03:11

hello. I checked and tested your theory. yes it does seem to do the trick, but only a flaw.

When you do so as sir Panos did, WP makes it double anchor, such as the final code looks like:

<a href="thisistheoriginalWPanchorlink" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="URL_OF_WEBPAGE_HERE.html" rel="nofollow">TITLE_HERE</a>

[edited to make the code show up – P.]

this explains why there are errors in some of the themes. Actually, there isn’t an error: WP didn’t overwrote the original permalink, we just made an extra link WITHIN that WP perma. Because there is not a visible line within the WP perma, it remains blank, while the “tweaked” page title gets the page visibility. That is the reason the page tabs get pushed away, as illustrated by Panos.

I am looking for a way to override the permalinks, as the site i have been working on is made over static htmls and WP. anybody’s help will be appreciated :)

Posted by wred | August 27, 2009, 17:55

It worked. Amazing.

Your are a genius.

Thanks.

Posted by MythRider | August 30, 2009, 01:43

I have another question. Is it possible to add an image to the background of Andreas04?

I’d like to add a dragon.

Posted by MythRider | August 30, 2009, 01:48

@wred: Thanks for digging into this. (But I don’t really understand why this produces errors in some of the themes.)

@MythRider: You’re welcome. Background image in Andreas 04 not possible without the paid CSS upgrade and a knowledge of CSS.

Posted by Panos | September 1, 2009, 07:20

Great trick! Will try it sometime! Came here following Richard’s reply in a forum though I am subscribed to your blog.

Posted by Vikas Gupta | September 4, 2009, 07:15

@Vikas Gupta: Thanks. Yes, Richard has linked to this post so many times that it has become by far my most visited post!

Posted by Panos | September 4, 2009, 11:50

lol ty!!!!!! very helpful

Posted by Donnie | September 6, 2009, 16:30

@Donnie: Thanks!

Posted by Panos | September 10, 2009, 13:19

Much love

Posted by mocogeographyclub | September 25, 2009, 01:28

I love the post and the step by step instruction. I have the Vigilance theme and still can not make this work. I have been working at it for over a week. I am not sure what I am doing wrong. I have put a space in front of the whole code, I have put spaces in front of the title of the link, and I have tried to use two words for the linking words…..I have even deleted all pages and started brand new. Any suggestions?

Posted by unpredictablejourney | October 7, 2009, 14:46

@unpredictablejourney: I cannot make any suggestions if I cannot see the blog. Link please!

Posted by Panos | October 7, 2009, 14:53

(And make sure you’ve published such a page, so I can check the source code and see what’s wrong.)

Posted by Panos | October 7, 2009, 14:58

Sorry. I knew that.
http://unpredictablejourney.wordpress.com/

I have the pages deleted right now. I will load them again as soon as I send this.

Posted by unpredictablejourney | October 7, 2009, 15:30

wordless, the word, and homeschool are the pages that I am attempting to link to the category pages
wordless to wordless wednesday,
the word to saturday scripture, and
homeschool to homeschool

Posted by unpredictablejourney | October 7, 2009, 15:36

You’ve got an extra (curly) quotation mark between the category URL and the proper (straight) quotation mark.

Posted by Panos | October 7, 2009, 16:02

so simple, yet so frusterating when I’ve been looking at it for a week attempting to fix it. THANKS!!! I’ll give credit to this post.

Posted by unpredictablejourney | October 7, 2009, 16:16

You’re welcome – no credit needed!

Posted by Panos | October 7, 2009, 22:45

Thanks a lot!!!

I have been messing with different custom page templates and I was pulling my hair out

You solution saved my sanity

Posted by Doug | November 20, 2009, 18:52

Thank You Panos!

I had hit a wall and was lost trying to find out how to do exactly what you so well described.

I posted a question in the forum and within minutes 1tess replied with a link to this page.

I’m highly impressed with how much work you, 1tess, and so many others have done for all us rookies.

Thank you!!!

Posted by Al | November 30, 2009, 06:13

@Doug: You’re welcome! (Sorry, hadn’t noticed your comment.)

@Al: You’re welcome! We were rookies once too. Our forum is a very helpful and friendly place, we learned a lot there (and we keep learning!), so we also sort of pay back when we can. As forum veteran timethief says here, it’s all about sharing.

Posted by Panos | November 30, 2009, 08:50

Thanks so much for sharing this and creating this very useful documentation as well.

Posted by timethief | November 30, 2009, 21:24

You’re welcome! (It’s my most popular post – mainly because of Richard, who’s been linking to it in the forum ever since I published it.)

Posted by Panos | December 1, 2009, 01:27

fantastic!! realy works!
Thanks for the help

Posted by katalinsky | December 2, 2009, 18:18

This was really helpful, but there have been new additions to themes. Think you could update the lists here of what this tip is ok or not ok in?

Posted by Danica | December 3, 2009, 15:32

@katalinsky: You’re welcome!

@Danica: Don’t let the date of the post fool you – see note up top in my right sidebar. The latest addition to wp.com themes is iNove; as you can see it’s included in the “Almost ok” column as well as the “Detals for (2)” section.

Posted by Panos | December 3, 2009, 15:55

I wasn’t even referring to the date. I was hinting at the fact that there are a lot more themes that aren’t listed here. :)

Posted by Danica | December 3, 2009, 16:10

@Danica: Sorry, the post covers all the 78 themes currently available.

Posted by Panos | December 3, 2009, 16:23

I thought it didn’t. My bad.

Posted by Danica | December 3, 2009, 16:27

hey..i have a problem and hope that someone will help me. i want to put an external link in wordpress (my site is called djklaudelu.com) but when i clik on the link it gives me that 404 error and the link is djklaudelu.com/go.php?http://share-byte.com/?d=850436601 instead of the link that should be (http://share-byte.com/?d=850436601)..How can I solve this problem?

Posted by claudiu | December 3, 2009, 17:13

@claudiu: Did you solve the problem? Because I don’t get a 404 when I click the link in your post: the page loads ok (although it takes too long) and the mp3 downloads ok too.

Posted by Panos | December 3, 2009, 22:19

(@Danica: Sorry if I sounded dismissive. I was brief because I couldn’t tell what the misunderstanding was. If you had explained what exactly you thought was missing, I would have given a more detailed answer.)

Posted by Panos | December 4, 2009, 09:54

You are a legend. I use contempt and it worked well. Thanks.

Posted by itchierfeet | December 5, 2009, 20:21

@itchierfeet: You’re welcome. “Worked well”… Well, well is well if you don’t mind the extra blank tab. To me it’s ok visually, as a separator between the pages of your blog and the external page, but the problem is it’s clickable.

Posted by Panos | December 5, 2009, 22:01

OMG that is so simple… I’m simply dumbfounded… I’ve been hacking up my templates for months now trying to do this exact thing… I feel so stupid that it so simple.

But what can you do sometimes the right answer is the simplest answer.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
Waffles

Posted by Waffles | December 6, 2009, 11:11

I did some more browsing after trying this out and I stumbled on this plug-in that I believe clears up the ghost tab when using more than one word.

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/page-links-to/

Just thought I’d share it with you.

Thanks again for solving my problem. =-)
Waffles

Posted by Waffles | December 6, 2009, 11:56

@Waffles: You’re welcome! No you mustn’t feel stupid, because the trick wasn’t obvious at all: if you asked me (or staff!) before I found out, the answer would be no, you can’t put html codes in title boxes.

And thanks for finding the plugin and sharing it with us. I updated the post accordingly – see note at the end. (Note, however, that the ghost tab has to do with the link in general, not the number of words in the link text.)

Posted by Panos | December 6, 2009, 13:49

wp.com titles can use the strong and em tags.

Posted by Tess | December 6, 2009, 21:04

@Tess: Correct. But it wasn’t so when I discovered the page-link trick. And I don’t know if there’s a term to distinguish “special” html tags such as em or br from the majority.

Posted by Panos | December 8, 2009, 11:53

So in other words this trick doesn’t really work…not unless you figure out how to get rid of the static page that is created so you only have the linked page…

Posted by Mysterchr | December 15, 2009, 05:42

@Mysterchr: No, in other words it means it doesn’t really work in the theme you’re using. Experienced bloggers and WP staff used to say it’s impossible, so being able to do it, even with some themes only, or with barely noticeable defects in some themes, is better than nothing. Besides, the point of my posts on themes is to provide detailed information on features, details, possibilities and shortcomings, for those interested in selecting a theme that might better suit their particular needs. And remember that I’m a wp.com user, a volunteer in the wp.com forum: this blog is about free wp.com blogs. You have a wp.org blog – you’ve got different software, with which I’m not familiar.

Posted by Panos | December 15, 2009, 12:33

@panos well I use both the free wordpress sites and have it installed on my webserver and there really isn’t much difference other than I have access to all the stuff on the back end side of the site…What about this idea though, editing the header. Edit the header so that it displays the link to a catorgies page instead of the automatically created page plus the catorgies or linked page in the pages section….Am I saying this clearly?

Posted by Mysterchr | December 15, 2009, 19:39

@Mysterchr: Clear enough! To rephrase, edit the header so it doesn’t display the blank tab. Well:

a) Definitely not possible in a free wp.com blog.

b) Probably not possible with the paid CSS upgrade in a wp.com blog. Thesacredpath, who is one of the most experienced and helpful volunteers in the wp.com forum, has been linking to this post of mine ever since I published it: he’s quite experienced with CSS, so I think if things could be improved via CSS, he would have done it and inform us of it.

c) ~~Maybe~~ it’s possible in a self hosted blog (because “access to all the stuff on the back end side” is a big difference), ~~but as I said I’ve no idea about that.~~ see Note 2 at the end of the post.

Of all the volunteers in our forum, the master in CSS and all is devblog – also very eager to help. I suggest you ask him: http://csswiz.wordpress.com/

Posted by Panos | December 16, 2009, 00:29

I’m trying to move certain blog content over to a specific blog tab (as in my personal posts) but it’s simply not working…any hints?

Posted by vreitano | December 23, 2009, 15:32

@vreitano: Sorry, I don’t understand the question. Link and point to specifics please.

Posted by Panos | December 23, 2009, 23:36

I tried this, but now all my pages are showing 404 errors. Please help me! whoiswonky.com

Posted by juankgalan | December 29, 2009, 21:36

@juankgalan: All your pages and subpages work fine for me – no 404s. But none of them involves the trick explained in my post either, so I’m lost here. Are you talking about another blog? Or about a page you deleted in the meantime?

Posted by Panos | December 29, 2009, 22:10

thanks! i’ve wondered about this one for a while. in my case i’m using a design by “psd to wordpress”. i’m getting a slight tab, but nothing too noticeable.

Posted by Starschreck | December 31, 2009, 01:13

@Starschreck: You’re welcome, and a happy new year!

Posted by Panos | December 31, 2009, 05:12

I have a question. What you have typed has helped me to understand how to do exactly what it was suppose to, no problem there. But is there a way to get rid of them from the static page? (If you’re looking at the blog, look to the raosv one.) Should be connected to accout name?

Posted by stevasonj | January 7, 2010, 05:25

Or not… http://raosv.wordpress.com/
Or is this a theme prob?

Posted by stevasonj | January 7, 2010, 05:25

@stevasonj: Sorry, your question is unintelligible. Get rid of “them” what?

Posted by Panos | January 7, 2010, 14:19

Hi
I’ve just set up a blog for my GirlGuide unit and a further, (hopefully linked) private blog for Guiders only. I’ve followed the tab / link idea and though the tab name is correct it’s not linking to the private blog – I’m not that IT literate and just follow the wordpress forums and themes. Can you help?
http://dunsguides.wordpress.com and the private one http://dunsguiders.wordpress.com
thanks

Posted by dunsrangers | January 7, 2010, 22:07

@dunsrangers: It’s not linking because you’ve written “Guiders_Area”. As I mention in the post, the name must include a space: write “Guiders Area”, with no dash.

PS The URL of your private blog is http://dunsguideguiders.wordpress.com/ .

Posted by Panos | January 7, 2010, 22:42

thanks Panos, it’s working now I think. Now I need to invite members

Posted by dunsrangers | January 9, 2010, 13:46

You’re welcome (yes, it’s working now)!

Posted by Panos | January 10, 2010, 03:01

Niceeeeeeeeeee

Great Post
Finally I can make Categories Pages without any Plugins
Just Adding Your Categories URL to That script
and ..
voila.
thats come true

thx

Posted by triwandha | January 16, 2010, 11:44

@triwandha: Yeah nice – you’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | January 16, 2010, 13:17

Thank you so much! I’ve been looking for a way to do this for quite some time.

Posted by Steve | January 20, 2010, 18:36

@Steve: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | January 21, 2010, 05:19

This has been extremely helpful for another site I’ve been creating (my current blog is in Spanish, but I’m working on a much more detailed English version) but I have practically no knowledge or talent when it comes to site creation!
thanks so much, you clearly are not only talented but – from your comments – really nice too! regards

Posted by Allison | February 3, 2010, 02:49

@Allison: You’re welcome and thanks for your kind words. If you’ve got any problems or questions re your new site, I’ll gladly help if I can (provided we’re talking about a wp.com blog – I don’t have general web design knowledge).

Posted by Panos | February 3, 2010, 03:25

Great tip & does away with the need for plugins etc. & works perfectly – pity about not being able to open in a new page though.

Thanks a lot!

Posted by Entrepreneur | February 3, 2010, 16:44

@Entrepreneur: You’re welcome! (You’re not talking about the site linked to your nick, are you?)

Posted by Panos | February 4, 2010, 01:40

Thanks for the tip, this is just what I needed.

Posted by Benjamin | February 5, 2010, 23:03

@Benjamin: As I said to Entrepreneur too, you’re welcome, and are you talking about the blog linked to your name?

Posted by Panos | February 6, 2010, 00:02

Thanks so much for this, Panos. You have saved my bacon…and my sanity.

Posted by Rose | March 4, 2010, 01:14

@Rose: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | March 5, 2010, 04:04

This is so great however I have been using digg 3 because I really need 3 columns, two for widgets, and this is defective. I have looked through all the ones it works with, and the ones which have minor defects and I can’t find a good 3 column theme with two widget columns, and a custom header image … any ideas!!!!????

Posted by booperkit | March 24, 2010, 18:30

@booperkit: As you’ve seen, 3-column themes are a minority. If you need more than a single widget column, plus header image, plus the page-link trick, your only choices are Vigilance and Neo-Sapien.

Posted by Panos | March 24, 2010, 23:22

thank you soooooooooooooooo much!!!!!

Posted by bbmint | March 29, 2010, 05:06

@bbmint: You’re welcome!

(Don’t really know why so many fellow bloggers seem to be interested in this! It’s by far my most visited post: 11,296 views up to this moment, against a mere 3,022 for my second most popular post.)

Posted by Panos | March 29, 2010, 05:30

I suspect that the interested parties are probably those who wish to employ this to drive traffic to third party sites in violation of the wordpress.com TOS section 2, bullet 5.

Posted by timethief | March 29, 2010, 18:39

Really! I was sure it was just a damn good article about something really cool, more and more people are using blogging software as web sites, so page tab external links are really important.

Posted by Booperkit | March 29, 2010, 18:56

my page links are to my other wordpress blogs

Posted by Booperkit | March 29, 2010, 18:59

TOS section 2, bullet 5

“the Content is not spam, is not machine- or randomly-generated, and does not contain unethical or unwanted commercial content designed to drive traffic to third party sites or boost the search engine rankings of third party sites, or to further unlawful acts (such as phishing) or mislead recipients as to the source of the material (such as spoofing);”

There’s nothing about not driving traffic to third party sites per se.

Posted by Booperkit | March 29, 2010, 19:02

@tt: Which is yet another reason why tellyworth’s claim re the other “loophole” isn’t convincing.

@Booperkit: Thanks for the “damn good article”, and I agree with your interpretation of that clause. By itself, nothing wrong with linking to other sites: the point is the “unethical”, “commercial”, “unlawful”, or “misleading” linking.

Posted by Panos | March 29, 2010, 23:49

You are a genius! I know have my BlogTalk Radio linked as a tab! Thank you so much!!!

Posted by carlaspacher | April 14, 2010, 02:43

@Carla: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | April 14, 2010, 05:02

Panos,
I am confused and not tech oriented – can I in fact create new posts under static pages? I am at http://insightersguidetobusinessacquisitions.wordpress.com
And if I cannot – well whats the point as posts get lost over time?

Posted by donsrons | April 14, 2010, 05:23

@donsrons:

A. “posts get lost over time?”

No they don’t! First, when the number of published posts will exceed the number displayed on your blog front, you’ll get navigation tabs at the bottom (“Older Entries”, “Newer Entries”). Second, there are several navigation widgets you can –or must– add to your sidebar. The most important one is the Categories widget: clicking on a category leads to the posts filed under that category. Another one is the Archives widget: clicking on a month leads to the posts published that month.

B. “can I in fact create new posts under static pages?”

Taken literally, no.

Many users are confused by this at first, partly because of the terminology (“page” having several different meanings). Among other things, there’s the distinction between dynamic and static pages. Your blog front is an example of a dynamic page: it displays your latest posts, and it changes content automatically when a new post is added. The pages you get when clicking on a category or a month, as mentioned above, are also dynamic pages. Static pages are those you can create yourself under Pages > Add New (useful for side information such as a bio, an introduction to the blog, or a list of links). A static page is just like a post – like one post: asking if you can have posts on a static page is like asking if you can have posts on a post.

To sort your posts into various groups, you file them under post categories, not pages. The post editor includes a Category module: there you assign one or more categories to the post (by ticking existing categories or by adding new ones).

Now, to return to the “literally”: Normally the tabs in your header are links to the static pages you’ve published. You cannot create posts under a static page, but you can make a header tab link to a (dynamic) category page instead of a static page, so that clicking on the tab will lead to the posts filed under that category (that’s what the trick explained in this post of mine allows you to do). Is that what you’re interested in? Try categorizing your posts first, and adding the Categories widget, and you’ll see that you probably don’t need the trick.

I suspect that what you’re looking for is displaying a number of posts under the text you’ve written on your static pages. That you cannot do: you can display links to those posts, not the posts themselves.

Posted by Panos | April 14, 2010, 06:55

OK – thanks so much. One more question – if I wanted to make money with the blog – I guess I will need to upgrade the service – correct?

Posted by donsrons | April 14, 2010, 15:01

Probably not correct – depends on what you have in mind when you say “make money” and “upgrade the service”.

– Roughly, it’s ok to sell or promote something you create yourself but not ok to sell other stuff, link to commercial sites, run ads etc. Read these too:
http://en.wordpress.com/types-of-blogs/
http://en.support.wordpress.com/advertising/

– The upgrades available to wp.com blogs are these:
http://en.support.wordpress.com/upgrades/
None of them changes anything re monetizing. If that’s what you’re interested in, you need a self-hosted blog. Wp.com is for blogging, not for making money.

PS If you’re thinking of ads, in particular, then you’re deluding yourself – you won’t make money unless the blog gets thousands of visits per day. Revealing staff response here:
http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/google-adsense-should-be-alloud?replies=38#post-409867

Posted by Panos | April 14, 2010, 15:40

Thanks so much. I find the fact that items can only be posted by category a bit constraining. But its a free service. As for making money – its not the first time I have been delusional.

Posted by donsrons | April 15, 2010, 15:02

@donsrons: You’re welcome. I’m off to work now – I’ll check your blog when I can and let you know if I have any ideas.

PS Sorry if “deluding yourself” sounded nasty; didn’t mean it to.

Posted by Panos | April 15, 2010, 15:48

Ok please do and thanks. As for the comment – I am sure that you have seen your share of people think they will make a fortune blogging. So I suspect you try and stay grounded.

Posted by donsrons | April 16, 2010, 14:27

@donsrons: Please tell me what exactly you’re looking for (with actual examples from your blog).

Note that I didn’t say you can only sort posts by category. Check my sidebars, for example: I’m linking to my posts under “Subject Index” (that’s my Categories widget), I’m linking to them in a different way under “Lists of Posts”, and I’m linking to some of them right below that.

Posted by Panos | April 16, 2010, 23:34

Hi Panos
I dont know if this can help others, but I couldn’t link between two blogs on .wordpress.com when I used the other blogs permalink.
I tried to change the link to the blogs shortlink and this helped.

Posted by Anonymous | May 7, 2010, 10:54

Hi and thanks, but I don’t see why that should make a difference. Would you mind sharing the real URL of the blog, the shortlink and the link text you used?

Posted by Panos | May 7, 2010, 11:11

Hi
the blog is lottoklubben.wordpress.com – I wanted to go to another blog (lottoklubbenmembersonly.wordpress.com) when I clicked the tab “Forum”. When I changed the permalink to the shortlink, it worked.

Posted by Anonymous | May 7, 2010, 12:00

Thanks. I tried both your shortlink and the normal URL you link to, and they both work. My guess is you made some typo you didn’t notice.

Posted by Panos | May 7, 2010, 23:30

A curious result in MistyLook changing alphabetical order to 4:

A bit ugly.
I added a title code sucessfuly.
Thank you for this helpful blog!

Posted by K. Gregorovius | May 15, 2010, 05:09

@KG: You’re welcome!

But I’m afraid I don’t understand what “changing alphabetical order to 4” means, so I don’t see what the curious result is. Please explain!

Posted by Panos | May 15, 2010, 05:25

I’m sorry, the image I sent is the same thing you have in the post. I was mistaken, because “normal” pages tabs are slightly moved upward, and I thought this was something new.
Changing order was no more than to apply the order option in page attributes.
I need to pay more attention!

Posted by K. Gregorovius | May 15, 2010, 14:41

Ah I see. Anyway the gist is you can’t use this link trick in MistyLook…

Posted by Panos | May 15, 2010, 17:12

Oh man, this has been a godsend lol … Ive had a java script do a lame “wait momentarily” link forwarder for over a year now … this solved my prob! kudos!

Posted by John | May 18, 2010, 06:50

@John: You’re welcome! The theme produces a blank tab as well, but that’s not too much of a problem I guess.

Posted by Panos | May 18, 2010, 10:08

I use Bueno and didn’t mind if the new tab was lowered than the rest of the navigation bar, but this appears to not even show up for me. I made a parent category and child categories for the drop-down, but neither shows up. I’ve added titles, but clicking the titles takes me to a page with a link rather than the category page. It seems Bueno is more problematic than just aesthetically for this trick. :(

Posted by Erika | May 24, 2010, 00:26

I’ve fixed the problem. Please ignore my previous post. :)

Posted by Erika | May 24, 2010, 00:28

Sweet! Thank you, so far I’ve added one extra page tab to Freshy and it looks fine. Very helpful to a new blogger :)

Posted by Indie | May 30, 2010, 02:17

@Indie: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | May 30, 2010, 15:30

Dear Panos,

Thankyou very much sir, a very helpful article that has solved a very serious problem for me.

Will add you to blogroll in thanks.

Ben Brooks

Posted by Benjamin Brooks | May 31, 2010, 18:05

@Ben: You’re welcome! Apparently my article has solved this problem for many… WP just started addressing it by adding the custom “Menus” feature to new themes.

Posted by Panos | May 31, 2010, 19:00

Oh wow! I am sooo excited! I don’t know if this works for all themes … or just Ambient Glo … but I have been trying to link the title of one of my pages to another website, and it had been adding an extra blank tab. Then I added one extra space before the title of the page (in this case FUN) and it took the extra tab away! Ahhhhhhhh! I had tried putting one space before and after the title, like this: <a href="http://www.google.com"> FUN </a> and it worked (it took the extra tab away), but it made the spacing a tiny bit funky. I would have been happy with that, but I decided to try just one space, like this: <a href="http://www.google.com"> FUN</a> — and voila!
OMG, I am sooooo excited! I have been looking for a solution to this issue for a LONG time!
Anyway, I hope this helps others!!!

[Comment edited to make the html show up – P.]

Posted by Tzaddi | June 12, 2010, 06:52

@Tzaddi: Wow! I would have never imagined this would make a difference (when I discovered this trick I tried various versions, and they didn’t make any difference in the themes I happened to use, so I didn’t press it any further). Now thanks to you I created three different linking pages (space before, space after, both) and tested all the themes listed in the post. Turns out it is theme dependent: no difference in most of the themes, but in a few of them you do get rid of the extra tab – with the space-before-and-after version only.

Many thanks for sharing this – I will update the post accordingly (with due credit)!

Posted by Panos | June 12, 2010, 15:03

Note that you cannot directly paste html code in a comment and expect it to show up; see here for more:
https://wpbtips.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/html-allowed-in-comments-2/

Posted by Panos | June 12, 2010, 15:04

Thank you for posting this! It seems to work fine in the “Green With Envy” theme without a space. I also set the target to “blank”.

Here’s the code: [a href=”http://annran.blogspot.com” target=”_Blank”>Blog</a] – of course, change the [ to <

I'm still a long way from having a completed site – just learning my way around WP, but you can see the tab in action here: http://www.annran.com/wpress – it's the "Blog" tab

Posted by AnnRan | June 12, 2010, 21:48

@AnnRan: You’re welcome. The difference between your site and much of what I write about in this blog is that yours is self-hosted, not wp.com: different software!

Posted by Panos | June 13, 2010, 01:43

Sorry for not noticing that. I knew there was a difference, but hadn’t realized your blog was mostly .com tips! I still found your advice helpful, and I suspect I’ll be back for more info as I’d like to learn my way around both versions of WP – thanks :)

Posted by AnnRan | June 13, 2010, 02:24

You’re most welcome. HTML related posts are of general use; theme related posts are wp.com only.

Posted by Panos | June 13, 2010, 02:29

I am trying to decide if I understand the impact of this (Page tabs as extra links) and whether or not the new link should be up there in the header as Pages or to the Right/Left in a Sidebar.

This is quite interesting.

-LK

Posted by lornakismet | June 13, 2010, 23:13

@Lorna
Say what? You have already created the HOME page tab using this method. You did that yesterday and it appears in the horizontal menu right along with all the other links to your other static pages.

Posted by timethief | June 13, 2010, 23:43

@Lorna: Header or sidebar is up to you – depends on whether you want it to be more prominent or not. Try this in a text widget to see the difference:

But if in the header, the spot where one expects to see a home tab is top left (before all other page tabs). And if in the header, you shouldn’t have used “this method” but the method I’m suggesting in Note 3 of the post.

@tt: Say what? You don’t have to chase Lorna everywhere.

Posted by Panos | June 14, 2010, 03:01

@Panos
Why would you say such a mean spirited and disrespectful thing to me?

I came here to read the reblogging comments and did so. I noticed Lorna was asking for help on the no HOME tab in Inuit Types issue. Well, she had already received help for on the forum and made her choice here > http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/inuit-types-has-no-home-link-on-the-separate-article-pages?replies=16

If you wish to encourage Lorna to make the other choice that you suggested in that thread after Jennifer commented and shared her experience then then please do.

Posted by timethief | June 14, 2010, 21:30

“Why would you say such a mean spirited and disrespectful thing to me?”

Because I was annoyed by the mean-spirited way you’ve been treating Lorna in the forum and your letting this spill over here. (Noticed I used the exact phrase you used, which normally I wouldn’t ever use when speaking to you?) In another thread Lorna opened, Tess wrote “always accurate and friendly advise on Panos’s blog”, and I certainly hope it’s so: you can write whatever you wish in the forum, but here scolding people who come for advice has no place; or if someone deserves it, that’s for me and me alone to decide. (Imagine someone trying to avoid hearing yet another reprimand from you but hesitating to come here too, fearing s/he might bump into you again!)

“I noticed Lorna was asking for help on the no HOME tab in Inuit Types issue. Well, she had already received help for on the forum and made her choice”.

So what? She tried the first thing that was suggested to her, and then maybe she had second thoughts and came here for further advice. If you happen to be irritated by someone’s posts in the forum, that doesn’t mean you can try to moderate the comments in my own blog too! (Regardless of whether your irritation is justified or not.)

“If you wish to encourage Lorna to make the other choice that you suggested in that thread after Jennifer commented and shared her experience then then please do.”

Really? I’m grateful! Then why did you interfere in the first place?

I didn’t encourage Lorna to make any choice. Jennifer shared her bad experience with the method you suggested, in that thread I suggested a text widget as an alternative, and in my comment above I’m pointing out the difference as well as the right method for creating a top nav home link (a better alternative, as the post has been saying for months now).

In short: out of bounds! I’m sorry if you don’t like all this, but you’ve seen I have and I will readily agree with you or stand for you whenever I think you’re right; well, I will equally readily react when I think you’re wrong. In my book that’s not disrespectful towards you as a person, it’s only disrespectful towards the particular thing you’ve said or done. I hope you’ll appreciate the distinction.

Posted by Panos | June 15, 2010, 02:51

Thanks so much for posting this. I shall be pleased not to return to your blog.

Posted by timethief | June 15, 2010, 21:18

Thanks for this – I’ve spent the last couple of hours trying to get this fixed up, and couldn’t figure it out – typically I am using the Greyzed theme, which is by far my favourite – but it doesn’t do the one thing I really want it to!

Never mind, I will install the custom menus for now – thanks for all the information!

Posted by James McLean | August 5, 2010, 02:37

@James: You’re welcome. Yes, you need a custom menu: as my post shows, the other trick doesn’t really work in Greyzed.

Posted by Panos | August 5, 2010, 14:47

omg, thank you so much! i’v been workin on this problem late in the night and the whole morning!
the tricks works prefectly with the autofokus theme. it doesn’t need any spaces.

Posted by Samm | August 9, 2010, 16:00

@ Samm: You’re welcome!

In wp.com themes the space is necessary; in some themes for self-hosted blogs it isn’t.

Posted by Panos | August 9, 2010, 22:25

Hi
Could this work on my WP.com site in the vigilance theme in this way?
Could I have a menu up the top with a tab Homes For Sale and another tab Homes For Rent, when they clicked on them it took them to my real estate website to the appropriate page for homes for sale and homes for rent. I am all new to this.

Posted by Wayno | August 18, 2010, 07:23

The post lists Vigilance as one of the themes in which my workaround works, also as one of the themes that support Custom Menus. So you can create your tabs in either of those two ways.

Posted by Panos | August 18, 2010, 13:43

Well It looks like I am stuck as long as I continue to use the theme I have on my blog.. I tried to put links in to our dealership new and used pages and the “work” but I have the small tab at the top… I am glad I found you blog as I have been trying to correct it within the code.. i.e align=top but that makes my link stop working… Does move the text up tho. lol But I will stop my relentless persuit to move the button up..

Posted by Bertera Nissan | October 1, 2010, 00:28

@BN: Your blog is self-hosted while my blog and my experience are limited to wp.com blogs: the software is different, so I can’t tell if and how you can correct the problem with extra coding.

What I do know is that an extra space may do it in some themes, depending on where you put it. In the sourcecode of your page I saw you’ve put a space before “New Inventory”: try a space after, instead, then both before and after (if you haven’t done that already).

Posted by Panos | October 1, 2010, 06:50

I have one of the “so-so” themes, but it seems to work great. It didn’t even occur to me that was possible, and it’s perfect for the type of blog I’m making.

Posted by theknightswhosay | October 14, 2010, 03:29

Yes, it’s only a little “so-so”: the extra space is hardly noticeable. In some other themes it’s more pronounced.

Posted by Panos | October 14, 2010, 04:14

Thanks! Great post

Posted by jeff | October 17, 2010, 05:31

@jeff: You’re welcome.

Posted by Panos | October 17, 2010, 19:36

Thanks. This is a helpful post.
I have no top nav links in my them too. See my info in comment for my site.
I want to add top links in my site as they make it simple for readers to navigate.

Posted by The Simple Golf Swing Review | October 18, 2010, 02:23

You’re welcome, but I can’t help: my blog is about wp.COM blogs while yours is self-hosted – different themes, different software. You can ask here:
http://wordpress.org/support/

Posted by Panos | October 18, 2010, 10:39

THANK YOU SO MUCH

BEEN LOOKING 4 THIS 4 AGES

http://www.stnoufer.wordpress.com – looks a treat now

Posted by bishoymarcus | October 25, 2010, 18:22

You’re welcome! (Looks a treat, but WP staff continues to ignore this possibility, saying it’s not recommended…)

However, with the theme you’re using you could have created a custom menu instead:
http://en.support.wordpress.com/menus/

See here too for optimum image size:
https://wpbtips.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/modularity-lite-100th-theme/

Posted by Panos | October 25, 2010, 18:47

Hi,
I just tried this and works great! Except that the link to the page isnt aligned with the rest of the menu :(

My menu goes from left to right, and the one page that is linked to a category is noticably below where it should be. Almost as if there is a hidden paragraph or something cause by <a href…

Has anyone found a way around this so the blog still LOOKS nice.

I'm using one of papergraph's templates called FullScreen.
Help…please!

Posted by Drae | October 29, 2010, 04:20

If you’re using “FullScreen” then you’ve got a self-hosted blog while my blog is about wp.COM blogs: different templates, different software, so I can’t help directly.

My post documents several cases of the side effect you’re describing: in some templates the trick simply doesn’t work.

But in some themes it may turn up ok depending on where the space is. So the only thing I can suggest is try the link text with a space before it, then with a space after it, then with spaces both before and after.

Posted by Panos | October 29, 2010, 12:17

[Username link to non wp.com site removed – P.]

Thanks for this.
I’ve been looking for this solution for a little while, working smoothly in Twenty Ten.

Posted by Pedro Matias | November 5, 2010, 22:30

You’re welcome, if you’re not a spammer.
(The site originally linked to your name isn’t using 2010 and isn’t a wp.com blog.)

Posted by Panos | November 6, 2010, 09:42

Hi Panos,

I have just figured out that it is possible to add hyperlinks right in the post title and I want to share it with you:
How to add hyperlinks in wordpress.com post titles

It had a pleasant surprise for me. I found out that if there’s a hyperlink (a text link), then the categories for that post (under the post) that link to wordpress.com global tag pages are unlinked! It can be a good way to prevent a blog from leading somewhere outside the blog. If no tags are used (tags are more tenacious and remained global) then it is possible to avoid being linked to the wordpress.com global tag pages without having to pay any money.

Sorry for chattering. I am just feeling so excited! :)

Posted by Netty Gritty | November 29, 2010, 23:50

Sorry that I said it deals with the global tags problem. It doesn’t.

Posted by Netty Gritty | November 30, 2010, 02:27

Thanks! Apparently the situation is the same as my page links trick: the link code in particular works in title fields while other HTML (for instance changing the color or the font) doesn’t.

Posted by Panos | November 30, 2010, 18:51

You are most welcome! :)

I think the codes that are accepted within H1 tags will be accepted without any problem. (Titles have h1 tags). Like, you can make the link text bold or italic and you can put copyright (and other) symbols.

Most importantly, this trick really does end the global tags vs local tags war. It is possible to keep links within your blog, so that viewers won’t be thrown out of your blog and into the great matrix of wordpress.com global tag page.

Posted by Netty Gritty | November 30, 2010, 20:09

I read more there, but I still don’t see how “it is possible to keep links within your blog”: the category and the tag in your metadata still link to the global tag pages.

Posted by Panos | December 1, 2010, 11:40

” the category and the tag in your metadata still link to the global tag pages.”
Yeah, it does. I was just suggesting that it might be a way to put local tags right in the post section (as opposed to the tags section in the side bar).

I didn’t say it kills global tags….

And there’s an added extra…
If links to local tags are added in the post title fields, they appear intact in the global tag page. That was a pleasant surprise. So far, I have never seen links to local tags in the global tag pages, but now I see local tags (the links put in the post title) of my blog there.

Posted by Netty Gritty | December 2, 2010, 21:36

Let me add here what I’ve already mentioned in your blog: the trick is more effective with themes in which the metadata are at the end of the post (as opposed to below the post title).

Posted by Panos | December 4, 2010, 00:46

So there’s no workaround for the wu wei themes ?

Posted by alexiswanneroy | December 8, 2010, 21:27

Are you referring to my post or to Netty Gritty’s recent comments?

Posted by Panos | December 9, 2010, 01:55

@panos to your post… I don’t know since the post has been done if there is a workaround ?

Posted by alexiswanneroy | December 9, 2010, 19:55

My posts are updated all the time. Check red asterisk!

Posted by Panos | December 9, 2010, 21:50

I’m so sorry… I should have read more in details!!!
Those menus are awesome :)

Posted by alexiswanneroy | December 10, 2010, 00:56

AWESOME!!!! Most helpful thread i have found! Thank you so much for this.

Posted by Stephen Orebaugh | January 4, 2011, 21:38

@Stephen: You’re welcome!
(And you’re not alone: this is by far my most popular post.)

Posted by Panos | January 6, 2011, 16:16

This is really nice code and i need some help regarding my question
I want to show few categories in header dropdown(as i have so many categories and all can not be shown in header)
i want to use
wp_list_categories(‘orderby=name&title_li=&child_of=328′) parameter

I want when new category is added in admin under that category then it must start showing in front end automatically.
Do you have solution for this.
Thanks
Vaseem Ansari

Posted by Vaseem | January 11, 2011, 09:23

Sorry, I can’t help: you have a self-hosted blog. As my tagline says, my blog is about wp.com blogs: different software. You can ask at the wp.org forum.

Posted by Panos | January 11, 2011, 12:55

Panos, you wrote in Update – “Restrictions and defects apply to the standard top menu of each theme” – Does it mean your tips may not be applied in wp.com (prohibited for use)?

Posted by Om Kicau | January 23, 2011, 17:39

No, it means the problems I describe in the post only show up when you use the standard menu: custom menus are free of all those problems. My trick was invented (and my post was published) long before the introduction of the custom menu feature: the trick still works, but it’s almost useless now.

Posted by Panos | January 23, 2011, 20:59

Okay. It’s only “almost” not “at all”. Because, with your tips, I can give italics or bold effect for example. For some people, perhaps it means nothing, but for others, may be very useful.
Thank you very much.

Posted by Om Kicau | January 23, 2011, 21:35

You’re most welcome!

Posted by Panos | January 24, 2011, 06:58

http://txfx.net/wordpress-plugins/page-links-to/ this plugin works great for this method.

Posted by rusrusrus | February 11, 2011, 15:03

Thanks, but check point 1 here:
https://wpbtips.wordpress.com/comment-guidelines/

Posted by Panos | February 11, 2011, 15:13

Hi,

I would like to make my menu bar become horizontal-flying. Can you advise me?

My site here: http://duhocmalaysia.edu.vn

Thanks

Posted by du hoc malaysia | March 4, 2011, 16:47

Why thank you very much, this infuriated me until i finally put the spaces and it worked great, my podcast page is now alive ! thank you XD

Posted by theguyinthegreyscarf | March 5, 2011, 01:26

@du hoc malaysia: No I cannot – see point 1 here:
https://wpbtips.wordpress.com/comment-guidelines/

@theguyinthegreyscarf: You’re welcome. By now the same thing is possible if you create and load a custom menu (Appearance>Menus).

Posted by Panos | March 5, 2011, 05:34

I am amazed that you figured out there the space makes the difference. Thank you so much for your hard work and research!

[Username link to blog removed – P.]

Posted by PlanABrand | March 17, 2011, 21:19

Πολύ ωραίος φίλε…. βοήθησες πολύ , να΄σαι καλά!

Posted by meetsos | March 18, 2011, 18:46

Γειά!

Posted by Panos | March 19, 2011, 01:47

Very useful, Thanks!

Posted by CrumpEats | May 11, 2011, 13:59

@CrumpEats: You’re welcome!

Posted by Panos | May 12, 2011, 12:40

I hope this hasn’t been addressed previously in this post but:

How can I make my page title link to an external site…IN A NEW WINDOW / TAB?

Posted by Guest 32 | June 20, 2011, 00:41

To answer this I need more details: link to the website, link to your blog, point to the page title in question.

Posted by Panos | June 20, 2011, 01:11

My WP is http://locomotivesdesign.wordpress.com/ — there is a tab at the top called “Ju.Nk Clothing” that currently sends you to http://www.ju-nkclothing.com/ when you click on it. I was wondering if there was a way to get it to open that link in a new window. So both WP and the link are open on the browser.

Tried the target-blank method and it cuts the code out as soon as I update it. Had someone tell me that I’d have to use PHP in the theme which is way over my head.

Any assistance would help.

Posted by Justin Ochoa | June 20, 2011, 01:19

The trick I’m giving in this post can’t be used with target-blank (I’m mentioning that in Note 1).
Custom links in custom menus can’t be made to open in a new window either.
There’s a workaround you could use, but it doesn’t work in the theme you’re using (that’s why I needed to see your blog).
So the only thing you can do is put that link in your sidebar instead.

By the way, is the “Ju.Nk Clothing” enterprise yours? If not, it’s probably against the wp.com TOS.

Posted by Panos | June 20, 2011, 01:30

Yep, that is my clothing line, no worries. The reason the names aren’t the same is because in about two weeks Ju.Nk Clothing will be Loco Motives Design. I just have to wait on the state approval and didn’t want to change my domain name until it was official.

Thanks for the help.

Posted by Justin Ochoa | June 20, 2011, 01:38

You’re welcome.
You can create an image link in the sidebar, or a prominent text link using HTML in a text widget. If you need help with that, let me know.

Posted by Panos | June 20, 2011, 01:47

I have the Fusion theme and there’s a small blank page tab that appears right before my actual linked page and I’m not sure how to get rid of it. My blog is hblake.wordpress.com. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

Posted by hollie1221 | November 20, 2011, 19:56

Used to be ok, but WP changes things all the time.

But you needn’t resort to such workarounds anymore. As my post says (see the red rectangle), you can now create an officially supported custom menu. Instructions here:
http://en.support.wordpress.com/menus/

Posted by Panos | November 20, 2011, 20:34

Καλησπερα, στο Available Services δεν μου εμφανιζει share buttons οπως πχ το google+ ή το press this κ.α τετοια. Μου εχει μονο add a new sevrice και εγω δε ξερω να συμπληρώνω τη φορμα.
Πως μπορω να το διορθωσω?

Posted by giorgosiatridis | December 2, 2011, 22:17

Γεια!

Στο Settings > Sharing > Available Services θα έπρεπε να εμφανίζονται αυτά:
Email, Print, Digg, Facebook, Linkedin, Reddit, StumbleUpon, Twitter, Press This, Google+1, Tumblr.
(Η επιλογή “Add a new service” χρησιμεύει για να προσθέσεις κάποια υπηρεσία εκτός από αυτές.)

Δοκίμασε να διαγράψεις την cache και τα cookies του browser. Ποιόν browser και ποιά έκδοσή του χρησιμοποιείς;

Και μία παράκληση: το blog αυτό προφανώς το συμβουλεύονται κυρίως μη Έλληνες, και οι ερωταπαντήσεις στα σχόλια μπορεί να είναι χρήσιμες και σε άλλους, οπότε θα προτιμούσα τα σχόλια να είναι πάντα στα αγγλικά. Αν τυχόν δεν σε βολεύει ή δεν θέλεις, μπορείς αντί εδώ να γράψεις στο ελληνικό φόρουμ:
http://el.forums.wordpress.com/

Posted by Panos | December 3, 2011, 06:15

Just what I need for the Home Tab option (note 3) – thank you!

Posted by Richard Bellars | December 23, 2011, 17:08

You’re welcome. But by now there’s a more versatile way:
https://wpbtips.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/custom-menus/

Posted by Panos | December 23, 2011, 19:18

Thank you :)

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